Combatting Cult Mind Control

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Re: Combatting Cult Mind Control

Postby Truthiness » Tue Dec 30, 2008 2:56 pm

MissingLink wrote:I followed the instructions and underlined the parts that applied to my group, to see if it was a cult. At the end it was amazing to flick thru the book and see how much was underlined.


I finished it last week and did the same thing. Although its seems the Moonies are more nefarious in some ways, this book left me with no doubt that JWs are a destructive and controlling group. I'm sure there is something like this out there, but I'm going to have to break it down by constructing myself a list of destructive traits cross-referenced with quotes from the WTS to help me put it in perspective.
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Re: Combatting Cult Mind Control

Postby Robshocka » Tue Dec 30, 2008 6:24 pm

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How foolish it would be to stop serving Jehovah or to speak in a manner contrary to “the pattern of healthful words” simply because some things are initially difficult to understand!


I love this under-handed insult thrown towards those who question the doctrine. It's saying that if you disagree with something, you just don't understand it, yet. It almost makes me angry how condescending they are.


It's funny how that argument could be thrown back at them in their anti-science crusades.
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Re: Combatting Cult Mind Control

Postby Critical Thinker » Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:30 am

"Surveys of present and former cult members indicate that the majority of people recruited into destructive cults were approached at a vulnerable time of stress in their lives (pg. 49).

Here is just a sample of the experiences of people who were recruited by JWs as related in the Society's publications that proves this point:

15-year-old orphaned girl learns truth: w86 6/15 32
drug user changes after reading Creation book: w89 9/15 32
girl raised by nuns: yb90 53 (she was raised by nuns after the divorce of her parents)
girl with leukemia: w01 6/1 10; w94 7/1 30
orphaned girl on school bus: w98 3/1 25
seeking place in life: w95 1/15 32
youth whose father died: yb88 42-3
grief from children’s tragedies overcome: w88 1/1 6
grief from husband’s death overcome: w90 7/15 25
schoolteacher with family problems: g97 4/8 32
sad girl on school bus: w98 3/1 25
unwed mother: w90 5/15 21
victim of sexual abuse as child: w03 3/15 8-9
victims of prejudice: w96 6/1 5-6
abandoned woman: yb97 50
prostitute: w94 9/15 27
troublemaker: yb03 207-8
unhappy over problems: w94 6/1 6-7
insecure: g98 10/8 9-10
abandoned by parents: w98 1/1 4-5
adoptee: g96 5/8 10
child abuse victim: g93 11/22 32
incorrigible son: yb98 9-10
neglectful parents: yb01 47; w00 1/1 4; g94 5/8 9-10
poverty: yb03 209-10
invalid: g91 10/22 10
legless: w00 5/15 30-1
paralytic: yb03 58; yb01 45; w00 4/15 4-6
depressed: yb03 51-2; w93 7/1 31; w90 3/1 3-4; w90 4/1 23; w90 9/1 15; yb89 11-13; w86 4/1 7
addict of paint thinner: w92 6/15 6-7
alcohol abusers: w03 7/15 8-9; yb99 63-4; w98 1/1 3-4; yb98 173; w96 10/15 29; w95 4/15 9; yb94 55; yb93 175, 193-4; w88 5/1 18
alcoholics: g02 6/22 7-8; w00 4/15 4-6; w98 1/1 4; w96 5/1 30; w92 8/1 5-6; yb92 59-60; g87 11/8 10-11; w86 10/1 24
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Re: Combatting Cult Mind Control

Postby Kittygirl7 » Sat Jan 17, 2009 6:27 am

Just finished reading this book. One word: Amazing! There was so much information to process and digest, but I couldn't put it down!

I must admit I was very skeptical at first and from the start I was determined to read it with an open mind, because I didn't want another person/book telling me what the deal is and how to think again...if you know what I mean.

But reading the book was the best thing I've ever done in a long time, because everything made sense and fell into place - I feel like the weight's been lifted off my shoulders and seeing the reality for the first time in my life.

Anyway, so like so many of you, I had to find specific examples of how JWs use mind control in their teachings and I was browsing their website (which funnily enough was something I never did as a JW!) and found this article appropriately titled 'how can I control my emotions?'

http://www.watchtower.org/e/20050222/article_01.htm

They highlight this point in the red box in the article :
One key to controlling your emotions is learning to control your thoughts.

The article goes on to say:
One way is to refuse to dwell on negative things that make you feel depressed or insecure. By following the Bible advice to focus on things that are “serious” and “righteous,” you can replace negative thoughts with positive ones. (Philippians 4:8) Doing this may not be easy, but with effort it can be done.

The article ends with:
Young Malika says: “I’ve learned to pray, pray, and pray. Knowing Jehovah cares helps me to feel calm and more in control of my emotions.” With God’s help, you too can learn to control your emotions.

Well, there it was, clear as daylight, I don't think Hassan could've put it any better.

Knowledge really is power, because if I'd known what exactly mind control was before, I would've got the hell of out of there ages ago! But like many of us, I didn't know, had no idea, so this article would've meant nothing, in fact it would've probably fired me up even more to control my emotions and thoughts!
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Re: Combatting Cult Mind Control

Postby parabola » Wed Jan 21, 2009 3:27 pm

Eyes Open wrote:If they knew and understood it would be different, and educating people of the issues involved is given attention in the second book.



I think for some jdubs, they feel a measure of comfort and control by remaining as such. It gives them direction in there lives. They must need it...
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Re: Combatting Cult Mind Control

Postby Critical Thinker » Tue May 19, 2009 8:42 am

p. 50, " Medical neglect is rampant. People are made to feel that some personal or spiritual weakness is the cause of thier medical problems".


*** w08 11/15 pp. 23-27 Maintain a Scriptural View of Health Care ***
If that first human couple had remained faithful to Jehovah and had lovingly submitted to his sovereignty, they would never have experienced ill health, frailty, and death.
... Moreover, death inherited from Adam is one of “the works of the Devil” that God’s Son will undo by means of his Messianic Kingdom...The apostle Paul’s loyal companion Timothy had frequent bouts of stomach trouble for which Paul recommended the use of “a little wine.” (1 Tim. 5:23) Paul himself had to deal with “a thorn in the flesh,” perhaps an eye affliction or some other physical ailment for which there was no medical cure at that time. (2 Cor. 12:7; Gal. 4:15; 6:11) Regarding his “thorn in the flesh,” Paul made fervent pleas to Jehovah. (Read 2 Corinthians 12:8-10.) God did not miraculously relieve Paul of the “thorn in the flesh.” Instead, God strengthened him to endure it. Jehovah’s power thus became manifest in Paul’s weakness. Could this case contain a lesson for us?
Avoid Excessive Concern Over Health Care
Of course, we are aware that perfect health is not yet attainable. Therefore, we know that it is wise to avoid letting our health become an obsession or a constant concern. Our attitude should differ from that of those who have “no hope,” who think that this life is all there is and who will resort to any therapy in an attempt to cure their ailments. (Eph. 2:2, 12) We are determined not to forfeit Jehovah’s approval in an effort to save our present life, for we are convinced that if we remain faithful to God, we will “get a firm hold on the real life,” everlasting life in his promised new system of things.—1 Tim. 6:12, 19; 2 Pet. 3:13.
7 We avoid excessive concern over our health for another reason. Being inordinately concerned about our health could lead to our becoming self-centered. Paul warned against this danger when he urged the Philippians to be “keeping an eye, not in personal interest upon just [their] own matters, but also in personal interest upon those of the others.” (Phil. 2:4) It is proper to take reasonable care of ourselves, but the keen interest we show in our brothers and in the people to whom we bring “this good news of the kingdom” will prevent us from being preoccupied with our physical well-being.—Matt. 24:14.
8 The danger exists that a Christian might let health concerns push Kingdom interests into the background. Obsession with health care could also lead us to try to impose on others our personal opinions regarding the value of some diet, therapy, or food supplement. In this regard, consider the principle embodied in Paul’s words: “Make sure of the more important things, so that you may be flawless and not be stumbling others up to the day of Christ.”—Phil. 1:10.
What Is More Important?
9 If we are making sure of the more important things, we will be having an active share in the work of spiritual healing. It is accomplished by preaching and teaching the Word of God. This joyful activity benefits us and those whom we teach. (Prov. 17:22; 1 Tim. 4:15, 16) The Watchtower and Awake! magazines occasionally include articles regarding our spiritual brothers and sisters who have serious illnesses. These accounts sometimes explain how those individuals cope with their problems or even temporarily take their minds off them by seeking to help others come to know Jehovah and his wonderful promises.
10 When faced with a health problem, each adult Christian must “carry his own load” of responsibility in choosing treatment. (Gal. 6:5) But we should remember that our choice of therapy matters to Jehovah. Just as respect for Bible principles moves us to “abstain . . . from blood,” so our deep regard for God’s Word should impel us to avoid resorting to therapies that could harm us spiritually or affect our relationship with Jehovah. (Acts 15:20) A period of illness surely is no time to do something that might hinder our prayers and jeopardize our relationship with God.—Lam. 3:44.
“Soundness of Mind” Essential
In desperation, some Christians have been tempted to choose diagnostic or therapeutic methods that go against the principles of pure worship.
13 Satan will resort to any means to distract us from true worship. Just as he uses sexual immorality and materialism to cause some to stumble, he tries to breach the integrity of others by means of questionable treatments that amount to the use of occult powers and spiritism. We pray to Jehovah for deliverance from “the wicked one” and from “every sort of lawlessness.” So we should not play into Satan’s hands by exposing ourselves to anything that borders on spiritism and the occult.—Matt. 6:13; Titus 2:14.

[Footnote]
A list of some such articles appears in the box on page 17 of The Watchtower of September 1, 2003.

*** w97 9/15 pp. 22-23 How to Maintain Joy in Full-Time Service ***
When in Poor Health
Few people enjoy consistently good health. Even those in the so-called prime of life may be stricken with depression or disease. Ill health makes it necessary for some to discontinue full-time service, but they thereafter do excellent work as Kingdom publishers. Others, however, are able to carry on in full-time service despite poor health. For example, consider Hartmut and Gislind.
Hartmut and Gislind are a married couple who have spent 30 years as pioneers, missionaries, and in the traveling work. Both of them have suffered bouts of serious illness that have at times left them physically and emotionally drained. Nevertheless, they have done excellent work and have been able to encourage others experiencing similar trials. What advice do they offer? “Look to the future and not to the past. Make the best of every situation. Each day might bring just one opportunity to praise Jehovah. Use that opportunity, and enjoy it.”
that your personal loyalty to Jehovah when under test is important to him.—Job 1:8-12; Proverbs 27:11.
If we are able to continue in full-time service despite ill health, Jehovah will not forget the love we show for his name.—Hebrews 6:10.

*** g01 1/8 pp. 26-27 Your Choice of Medical Treatment—Does It Matter? ***
The Bible also reveals the high value that the Creator places on the sanctity of life and blood. (Genesis 9:3, 4) Determined to heed the injunction to ‘keep abstaining from blood,’ Jehovah’s Witnesses object to medical procedures that violate the Bible’s command to abstain from blood. (Acts 15:28, 29) Not all forms of medical treatment are helpful. When Jesus said that ‘those who are ailing need a physician,’ he was not sanctioning all the medical treatments that were available in his day. He knew that some forms of medical practice were sound and that some were fallacious. [u]


*** w06 3/1 pp. 25-26 “Keep Your Senses Completely” ***
12 The shrewd one considers his steps” by doing research in the Bible [u]and Christian publications[/b]. (Proverbs 14:15) We must guard against becoming so preoccupied with physical health that our more important spiritual needs get pushed aside.—Matthew 5:3; Philippians 1:10.
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Re: Combatting Cult Mind Control

Postby leavingwt » Tue May 19, 2009 8:54 am

Critical Thinker,

Thank you for these updates.

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Re: Combatting Cult Mind Control

Postby Critical Thinker » Tue May 19, 2009 11:11 am

p. 72, "The new member is typically assigned to proselytizing duty as soon as possible. Social psychology has shown that nothing firms up one's beliefs faster than trying to sell them to others. Making new members do so crystallizes the cult identity quickly."

*** km 3/01 pp. 4-5 pars. 14-17 April—Time to ‘Work Hard and Exert Ourselves’ ***
How to Help Them Share: We learn much about helping qualified ones to start out in the ministry by examining how Jesus trained others. He did not just find a crowd and tell his apostles to start talking. He first emphasized the need for the preaching work, encouraged a prayerful attitude, and then gave them three basic provisions: a partner, a territory assignment, and a message. (Matt. 9:35-38; 10:5-7; Mark 6:7; Luke 9:2, 6) You can do the same. Whether you will be helping your own child, a new student, or someone who has not reported any activity for a while, it would be appropriate to make a special effort to pursue the following objectives.
15 Highlight the Need: Impress upon the person the importance of the preaching work. Be cheerful about it. Relate experiences that show what the congregation is accomplishing in the ministry. Display the spirit Jesus expressed at Matthew 9:36-38. Encourage the prospective publisher or the inactive one to pray about his personal participation in the ministry as well as for the success of the work worldwide.
16 Get the Person Thinking About the Many Opportunities There Are to Witness: Mention the possibility of meeting with the book study group for house-to-house witnessing. Speak of conversing with relatives and acquaintances or talking with workmates or schoolmates during lunch breaks. When traveling on public transportation, one can often strike up a conversation simply by showing personal interest in fellow passengers. When we take the initiative, this often creates an opening to give a fine witness. Truly there are many occasions to share our hope with others “from day to day.”—Ps. 96:2, 3.
17 Likely, though, it would be preferable for you and the new publisher to work together from house to house as soon as possible. If you have set a goal of increasing your service during April, ask the territory servant if a convenient territory is available. If so, this would afford you opportunities to work it thoroughly. For example, as you finish service or travel to meetings or other places, you may notice that someone is home at a residence where previously no one was found or where interest was shown. If appropriate, make a brief call when it would be most effective. This, in turn, will contribute to a sense of accomplishment and joy in the ministry.
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Re: Combatting Cult Mind Control

Postby Rifter » Wed May 20, 2009 2:11 pm

Kittygirl7 wrote:if I'd known what exactly mind control was before, I would've got the hell of out of there ages ago!


This is another reason why it's so hard for those who reside within cults, to realize and admit that their own belief system may be attached to a cult. Many of us grew up picturing "mind control" as a corny science-fiction concept; people with machines attached to their heads, walking around like zombies... We think, "that's ridiculous, that can't happen to me". So we dismiss it summarily. But they don't use machines, they don't use mind-altering ray guns, or psychic powers... They just use words.

Educating yourself about real-world mind-control techniques helps one to realize that these groups are real, they live amongst us, and they have gradually and methodically manipulated millions of otherwise normal and intelligent people into complete unquestioning obedience... all while making them feel warm and fuzzy for doing so.


Critical Thinker wrote:p. 72, "The new member is typically assigned to proselytizing duty as soon as possible. Social psycholgoy has shown that nothing firms up one's beliefs faster than trying to sell them to others. Making new members do so crystallizes the cult identity quickly."


Hassan is spot on... this is why becoming a "publisher" is one of the first major steps to committing yourself as a JW. Baptism typically follows shortly thereafter. Then, you have been successfully trapped.
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Re: Combatting Cult Mind Control

Postby Critical Thinker » Wed May 20, 2009 3:17 pm

p. 62. Members are trained to disbelieve any criticism. Critical words have been explained away in advance as "the lies about us that Satan puts in peoples' minds..."

*** w99 7/15 p. 17 Anchored by Hope, Impelled by Love ***
Why Some Suffer Shipwreck
7 When Paul warned of experiencing “shipwreck,” he had in mind some who had “thrust aside” their good conscience and had lost their faith. (1 Timothy 1:19) Among them were Hymenaeus and Alexander who fell into apostasy, deviating from the truth and speaking abusively. (1 Timothy 1:20, footnote; 2 Timothy 2:17, 18) Today, apostates, who deviate from the truth, verbally beat “the faithful and discreet slave,” in effect biting the hand that had been feeding them spiritually. Some resemble the “evil slave,” implicitly saying, “My master is delaying.” (Matthew 24:44-49; 2 Timothy 4:14, 15) They deny that the end of this wicked system of things is near and criticize the spiritually alert slave class for maintaining a sense of urgency among Jehovah’s people. (Isaiah 1:3) Such apostates succeed in “subverting the faith of some,” inducing spiritual shipwreck.—2 Timothy 2:18.

*** w94 7/1 pp. 11-13 At Which Table Are You Feeding? ***
Beware of the Poisonous Food on the Table of Demons
10 Food on the table of demons is poisonous. Consider, for example, the food dispensed by the evil slave class and the apostates. It does not nourish or build up; it is not wholesome. It cannot be, for the apostates have stopped feeding at Jehovah’s table. As a result, whatever they had developed of the new personality is gone. What motivates them is, not holy spirit, but vitriolic bitterness. They are obsessed with only one aim—beating their former fellow slaves, as Jesus foretold.—Matthew 24:48, 49.
11 For example, away back in 1909, the then president of the Watch Tower Society, C. T. Russell, wrote about those who turned away from Jehovah’s table and then began to mistreat their former fellow slaves. The Watch Tower of October 1, 1909, said: “All who cut loose from the Society and its work, instead of prospering themselves or upbuilding others in the faith and in the graces of the spirit, seemingly do the reverse—attempt injury to the Cause they once served, and, with more or less noise, gradually sink into oblivion, harming only themselves and others possessed of a similarly contentious spirit. . . . If some think that they can get as good or better provender at other tables, or that they can produce as good or better themselves—let these take their course. . . . But while we are willing that others should go anywhere and everywhere to find food and light to their satisfaction, strange to say, those who become our opponents take a very different course. Instead of saying in the manly fashion of the world, ‘I have found something which I prefer; goodbye!’ these manifest anger, malice, hatred, strife, ‘works of the flesh and of the devil’ such as we have never known worldly people to exhibit. They seem inoculated with madness, Satanic hydrophobia [rabies]. Some of them smite us and then claim that we did the smiting. They are ready to say and write contemptible falsities and to stoop to do meanness.”
12 Yes, apostates publish literature that resorts to distortions, half-truths, and outright falsehood. They even picket Witness conventions, trying to trap the unwary. Hence, it would be a dangerous thing to allow our curiosity to move us to feed on such writings or to listen to their abusive speech! While we might not think it a risk for us personally, the hazard remains. Why? For one thing, some of the apostate literature presents falsehoods by means of “smooth talk” and “counterfeit words.” (Romans 16:17, 18; 2 Peter 2:3) What would you expect from the table of demons? And while the apostates may also present certain facts, these are usually taken out of context with the goal of drawing others away from the table of Jehovah. All their writings simply criticize and tear down! Nothing is upbuilding.13 Jesus said: “By their fruits you will recognize them.” (Matthew 7:16) What, now, are the fruits of the apostates and their publications? Four things mark their propaganda. (1) Cleverness. Ephesians 4:14 says that they are “cunning in contriving error.” (2) Prideful intelligence. (3) Lack of love. (4) Dishonesty in various forms. These are the very ingredients of the food that is on the table of demons, all of which is designed to undermine the faith of Jehovah’s people.
14 And there is another aspect. To what have the apostates returned? In many cases, they have reentered the darkness of Christendom and its doctrines, such as the belief that all Christians go to heaven. Moreover, most no longer take a firm Scriptural stand regarding blood, neutrality, and the need to witness about God’s Kingdom. We, though, have escaped the darkness of Babylon the Great, and we never want to return to it. (Revelation 18:2, 4) As loyal servants of Jehovah, why would we even want to peek at the propaganda put out by these rejecters of Jehovah’s table who now verbally beat those who are helping us take in “healthful words”?—2 Timothy 1:13.
15 Some may be inquisitive about accusations that the apostates make. But we should take to heart the principle at Deuteronomy 12:30, 31. Here Jehovah through Moses warned the Israelites about what to avoid once they dispossessed the pagan inhabitants of the Promised Land. “Watch out for yourself for fear you may be entrapped after them, after they have been annihilated from before you, and for fear you may inquire respecting their gods, saying, ‘How was it these nations used to serve their gods? And I, yes, I, will do the same way.’ You must not do that way to Jehovah your God.” Yes, Jehovah God knows how human curiosity works. Remember Eve, and also Lot’s wife! (Luke 17:32; 1 Timothy 2:14) Let us never give ear to what the apostates are saying or doing. Rather, let us be busy building people up and loyally feeding at the table of Jehovah!
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